Loud Thikr

Hadhrat Thaanvi (rahmatullah alayh) never encouraged even permissible forms of loud thikr. He had rules for regulating such thikr even in his private khaanqah. Commenting on this issue, Hadhrat Thaanvi (rahmatullah alayh) said: “The Fuqaha have said that Thikr-e- Jahr is permissible if musallis and sleeping persons are not disturbed. On the basis of this principle, I do not allow Thikr-e-Jahr here (in the Khaanqah) from 12 p.m. until after the Athaan of Zuhr Salaat.

Similarly, during the night time from after Isha until Tahajjud. Thereafter there is permission. And, when it is allowed (in the Khaanqah), then too, there is no permission for jahr-e-mufrit (excessive loudness).

While (mureeds) are sleeping, I do not allow them to practise even silent thikr with a hum. They should ‘recite; in their minds (i.e. in total silence).”

Hadhrat Thaanvi, Hadhrat Masihullah and other Akaabireen, particularly of their Line of Tasawwuf, did not have halqah thikr programmes in public Musaajid. All those Jalalabadi participants in the newfangled bid’ah halqah thikr programmes can bear testimony that they NEVER saw their seniors practise this bid’ah in all their student years. Suddenly, after a couple of decades of ostensibly following the Path of their Akaabir, and after their demise, they verge sharply from the Straight Path to slip into bid’ah.

Their senior is dead, hence the opportunity has developed to give vent to and display the hidden lust for aggrandizement which is today surfacing in the form of these public displays of bid’ah halqas. The opportunity to be Khalifahs thwarted them during the lifetime of Hadhrat Masihullah (rahmatullah alayh). May Allah Ta’ala save us from the evil which always lurks in our nafs.

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The opinion is right,but i prefer keeping away from Ashraf ali thanvi,he is a man of bid'ah. I'l prove this later.

Last i heard Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (Rahmatullah Alay) was reviver of the century...

I will wait then for your proof before saying anything more.

Assalaamu Alaykum

Seeing that brother Reeaz has not responded, I deem it disrespectful to leave such an evil comment with regards to a great saint. Hadhrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (Rahimahullah) is well known as 'Hakeemul Ummah' and 'Mujaddidul Millah'. He sacrificed his whole life for the Deen of Allah Ta'ala. Thousands of people benefited from him spiritually, and upto today millions are benefitting from his works. He has authored more than 1000 books on various Islamic Subjects. He was very firm against Bid'ah and the people of Bid'ah. That is why many, if not all the Ahlul Bid'ah do not like him. So to say he is from the people of Bid'ah is definitely a great insult to this pious friend of Allah. May Allah Ta'ala save us from speaking ill of our Pious Predecessors. Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) said that from amongst the signs of Qiyaamah is when the latter part of the Ummah speaks ill of the former.

Wasalam

I'm back. I insist this man is a man of bid'a. Some of his claims:

- The kind of knowledge and the amount of knowledge of the unseen given by Allah to the Prophet, has also been given to animals, lunatics and children. (hifzul eeman p7)
- It is satisfying to say "laa ilaaha illallaahu ASHRAF ALI rasoolullah" and "Allaahumma swalli 'alaa sayyidina nabiyyina ASHRAF ALI" and there is no harm in saying so. (Risaalah al imaad p35)
etc etc
I have many other proofs like this against the Deobandi n Wahabi scholars.
Note: The references i gave, the books are still present today, but the words i mentioned, have been removed from these books. The words are still present in the 1st editions of these books and the first editions are present, and preserved in Raza Enterprises library, India/Pakistan.

Due to these words, Imam Ahmad Raza Khan made fatwa of kufr on Ashraf Ali. These two, lived in the same age. This is further evidence that Ashraf Ali did say those words.

Kindly visit the following link for a better explanation, as i won't be able to explain all here. Just see what your ulema have done in the past. http://www.islam786.org/deobandis.htm

Asalamu Alaa Manit Taba'al Huda

From what you have written Riyaaz, it is clear that you follow the barelwi bid'ati reza khani deviated sect. It is very interesting to note that these books which have these baseless and false quotes against Hazrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thaanwi (Rahmatullah Alayh) are conveniently only found in the archives of the Barelwi Bid'ati libraries. It is clear from this that all of it have been made up and concocted by hateful barelwis. None of the followers of Hadhrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thaanwi (Rahmatullah Alayh) ever saw these writings or accept it. Ahmed Reza Khan and his followers have gone to great lengths to try and tarnish the image of Hadhrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thaanwi (Rahmatullah Alayh) but have failed miserably. Their example is like a person who foolishly throws stones at the clouds and those same stones fall back onto his face. Insha'Allah shortly we will discuss the beliefs of this deviate group. The link to the site provided belongs to a Barelwi group and therefore contains all what they believe.
Wasalaam

Come n prove to me that sunni r deviated. Im ready to reply! U use the word "bareilwiy". This proves your ignorance! What is bareily? Its a village in India. A person from dat village is called a bareilwiy. Imam Ahmad Raza was from that village, dats y he is referred as Imam bareilwiy. Its just like calling a person who lives in pakistan, as pakistani. I cannot be called bareilwiy as im not from that village. I'm mauritian.

Secondly, will a rapist ever admit to have raped someone? Rarely. Then how come we expect Deobandi/tablighi jama'at to admit that their molana said those things. Of course the sunni will point to that error. And now that we did it, how stupidly you said that they were forged!
Ok, lets say there were forged. Lets ask, when was the books forged? It cannot be forged in the lifetime of the maulana, else he would have rebelled against these things being attributed to him. It has surely been forged after his death.
If this was the case, then why Imam Ahmad Raza, the one who lived in the same age of ashraf ali, issue a fatwa of kufr on ashraf ali??
This proves that your maulana did say those words. And you can challenge me anytime, as long as i have knowledge i'l fight. And when i can no longer reply due to my lack of knowledge, i'l say what the Quran says "Ask the one who knows"

Moreover, coming to the subject, the deoband ulema did allow loud dhikr in gatherings http://www.yanabi.com/forum/Topic8166-4-1.aspx just click